I MAY BE A BIT OPTIMISTIC BUT I ORDERED THREE MORE EAGLE CLAW WIND TIP-UP FOR THIS SEASON. I HAD GREAT LUCK WITH THEM OVER THE PAST FEW WINTERS. THE SELF JIGGING ACTION THAT IS PROVIDED BY THE TIP-UP DESIGN. HAS CONSISTENTLY PROVIDED MORE STRIKES THAT THE UNDER WATER STYLE OVER THE PAST TWO SEASONS. NOW ALL WE NEED IS SOME COLD TEMPERATURES FROM MOTHER NATURE. AS STATED IN EARLIER POSTS WE WILL POST OUR WINTER SCHEDULE ASAP.